A Kayak Left on the Rack: Tim Gallaway’s Greenland

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Before the conversation turns to Tim Gallaway’s Greenland adventures, Andrew and Dubside open the episode with a wide-ranging, characteristically candid check-in on everything surrounding the upcoming Greenland National Kayaking Championships.

Tim Gallaway returns to The Dubcast with Dubside to relive his 2018 trip to Greenland—and to offer a reality-check (and a boost of encouragement) for anyone thinking about heading to Nuuk to compete.

Tim walks Dubside through the whole arc: flight delays and fog diversions, hauling a cut-up skin-on-frame kayak through airports, and the gamble of arriving early enough to rebuild and skin it in the clubhouse. Along the way he shares the unlikely housing luck that made his trip possible, what daily life felt like inside a local home, and the practical rhythm of getting around Nuuk on foot, by bus, and with a backpack full of “just in case” layers.

From there it’s straight into the competition: the short race, rolling—solo and team—harpoon throwing, and the ropes event inside the gym, where the energy of the crowd can turn a single feat into a full-on eruption. Tim also talks food (seal stew, musk ox, and humpback whale), ice-cold glacier water, long golden-hour nights, and post-event hikes.

The conversation closes with Tim’s reflections on why Greenland still calls him back—not just for competition, but for a true expedition.

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Transcript

[ANDREW]
Hello everybody and welcome to The Dubcast with Dubside. Today is a very special day because if you are watching this on YouTube, as you can see, I have Dubside here on video, virtual, via ZOOM.

[DUBSIDE]
Yes, ZOOMING for the broadcast, for the Dubcast.

[ANDREW]
So if you're familiar at all with the content of this podcast, you'll know that Dubside has a unique relationship with technology.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, I'm getting pulled into it, kicking and screaming, but here I am on ZOOM.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, he takes great steps to avoid being pulled in. And one of those is, of course, being offline as much as possible.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, but here I am online. Here you are.

[ANDREW]
And it's only because today is an even-numbered day.

[DUBSIDE]
Today is a computer day, yeah.

[ANDREW]
I do admire you for that because we all seem to be getting pulled into using technology more and more and being on screens all the time. Just the idea of not using a device every other day would make a huge difference for people.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, well, I still end up using my devices, like my little MP3 player thing and other things every day.

[ANDREW]
Well, that's like listening to music, right?

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah.

[ANDREW]
So let's get to the big question, which is on everybody's mind now. What is going on with Greenland and especially what's going on with our planned trip to Greenland?

[DUBSIDE]
You know, I wrote a little booklet years ago, a little booklet about the Greenland kayak thing. And in the last page I said, you know, Greenland with climate change issues and other things going on and independent things. Greenland promises to be in the news for years to come.

That was like six or seven years ago I wrote that. Here we are. Yes, we're all over the news lately.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, it's crazy. This is a place that no one ever really thought about, talked about, and all of a sudden it's like center stage in the world news. You know, have you seen the videos of these massive protests in Nuuk?

[DUBSIDE] 
Yeah, I've heard about some of it.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. They're like holding signs. They're crying out, “Kalaallit Nunaat!”

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, they are very clear in that they are not for sale. And they find it very offensive for people to say that they can just be bought like that.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, “Greenland is not for sale”. That's the slogan that everybody's saying. And there's a big sign, you know, in that crowd, “Yankees Go Home!”

So, you know, it's a bit concerning if we're going to be there. You know, NATO is sending troops there to defend Greenland against America. What do you think is going to happen?

[DUBSIDE]
Well, it's very unpredictable. But what I note is that for unpredictable situations, Greenlanders thrive in those situations. You know, where you don't have a real plan, you're just going to kind of figure out what happens. They're in their element for that. So they're well situated to deal with this.

Not that that makes it easy, but I can see they'll figure it out.

[ANDREW]
Okay. You know, people in our group have been concerned. A couple of people have dropped out already.

[DUBSIDE]
Well, it was about, what, two or three weeks ago we were thinking we might just have to call the whole thing off because things were looking way too volatile and we didn't want to, you know, be in the middle of a coup while we're there. And so it was looking like we were just going to have to wait until 2027. But then we decided, no, maybe we can do this.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. Well, it seemed like, you know, the whole issue just went away. It's certainly not in the news anymore.

[DUBSIDE]
Well, it faded down a little bit. Yeah, it's like simmering more than bubbling over.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, yeah. So maybe it was just all hype. You know, it's just one of those media circus things.

And, I mean, I'm kind of actually optimistic that nothing really is going to happen. And it certainly wouldn't affect us.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. But anyway, so we're going for it. We are going in July to Greenland.

And we've got 10 or more people ready to go with us, and we're gearing up for it.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, we actually had more people sign up. So that's great news.

[DUBSIDE]
Well, as I've been saying at all the Qajaq USA events, we're going as the Qajaq USA team. We want to have a visible presence there. Greenlanders who understand about kayaks, which is all Greenlanders, but are familiar with Qajaq USA, which a lot of people I've met there who I'd never— who weren't involved with the Qajaq Club but had heard about Qajaq USA.

We're somewhat in a different category. I mean, that's not always the case. We're still Americans.

But I've gotten a fair amount of respect. Here's somebody who appreciates kayaks, who's coming to Greenland to do the Greenland kayaking thing. We get a tremendous amount of respect for that.

And so I'm hoping that being seen that way as coming to Greenland— and they're still dependent on tourism for a lot of their economy, so they don't want nobody to come to Greenland. So they should be glad that we're being there. So I'm not too concerned about getting bad feelings that way.

You might have one incident or two where somebody says, you're from America, why don't you do this or that? But then other people nearby, they know they're with a kayak group. So I'm not really concerned about that.

[ANDREW]
Probably we shouldn't be waving around little American flags as a group. What do you think? Should we have American flags?

[DUBSIDE]
I'll use my Greenland flag. We'll have the Qajaq USA thing. It’s red, white, blue.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, okay. Like on our team jackets, we shouldn't have the American flag on our jacket. What do you think?

[DUBSIDE]
Just put the Qajaq USA logo on the flag. 

So speaking of team jackets, we're going to have team jackets, right? We're in the process of getting those designed and made. So we're going to look like a team.

[ANDREW]
Yes. So the jackets will be black, of course, right?

We're talking about this. We're discussing what the design should be. It's going to have a big 8-inch Qajaq USA logo in the back.

[DUBSIDE]
Qajaq USA logo. Yep. On the back.

[ANDREW]
Printed on the back. And this is the style that the Greenlanders use.

[DUBSIDE]
Their clubs, yeah. They put a big logo on the back, usually, of the particular club.

[ANDREW]
We'll also have the logo on the front and the left chest. We're thinking of having it, say, “Nuuk 2026” on the sleeve.

And for team members, their name printed. You have the option of your name printed on the right chest.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. All right. And then if people want to buy one who aren't going to Greenland, just to support the team and just have it to show there. They'll be available.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. We actually might have a couple different designs. That design and also one that just has the Qajaq USA logo on the front chest and “Qajaq USA” on the back, on the upper back.

And those will be available to everybody who helps support the mission.

[DUBSIDE]
And we have the official dates now. It's July 1st to the 10th is the competition. And we're planning to go.

We'll be leaving maybe the 30th of June. I was looking at the flight details, and that's amazing. You get to New York, and then, what, four or five hours, you're in Nuuk.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. It's not that hard.

[DUBSIDE]
That's not how I usually get there. I'm in Copenhagen. You've heard me tell the stories about the whole saga of just trying to get to Greenland.

So, yeah, that'll be amazing.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. The other concern, getting some kayaks over there.

[DUBSIDE]
The kayaks.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. We have a couple solutions. Maligiaq is going to let us borrow one of his kayaks.

And I am going to be bringing a Feathercraft Khatsalano, which is their Greenland-style folding kayak. Well, what do you know about the Khatsalano, Dubside?

[DUBSIDE]
It's, what, 17 feet, 10 inches long. It takes quite a while to put together because it's got these extra members in there and extra rods and bars and stuff in there. So it's, some people have described it as a semi-folder because once you put it all the way together to take it apart again, you're kind of reluctant to do that.

[ANDREW]
Yeah.

[DUBSIDE]
But putting it together once in Greenland and once you get it back, it's not going to be too bad. You've got to allow, even if you're practiced at it, a half an hour to get the whole thing assembled. But it can be done.

It's a nice kayak when you've got it all together.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. I think that was the big problem with it and why it wasn't very popular because when you have a folding kayak, it's like you keep it in your apartment or your condo and you take it down to the lake, put it together, go out paddling, take it apart, and take it home. This apparently was unpopular because it was not that easy to assemble.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah.

[ANDREW]
Plus, because it was a low-volume Greenland-style kayak, if you were going to take it on a trip, it's not going to have a lot of room for camping gear.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. It's limited volume inside.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. But I think for this Greenland trip, it's actually a perfect solution. 

I just thought I'd mention this. Another interesting thing I ran into looking into folding kayaks was the new Nautiraid Nook. Have you seen that one?

[DUBSIDE]
I saw it just briefly, yeah. Nautiraid is a French company. They're not marketed very much in this country, so we don't hear about them too much.

But they're another one of these folding manufacturers that still exists at this point, and they go back decades, like 50, 60, 70 years. They've been around a long time.

So it's a wooden frame on the inside with a skin on the outside. It's a nice design.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. It's like a true low-volume Greenland-style folding kayak with a wooden frame, PVC skin, pretty narrow, low volume, a little tippy. I mean, you can see that on the videos.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, like a Greenland kayak.

[ANDREW]
Yeah.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah.

[ANDREW]
That would be perfect for this kind of trip. Maybe something to think about in the future. If anybody has one of those, we'd love to hear about what you think about it. Let us know. 

What are all the different ways that people have gotten their kayaks over there?

[DUBSIDE]
Well, you can ship it ahead of time in a shipping container, and you have to put it away for, like, two weeks ahead of time to the shipping company. You won't see it. You won't be able to practice it at the last minute.

People have also built a kayak and then taken it apart, built a skin-on-frame and taken it apart and then taken it over there with them and then put it together when they got there. You need some experience in building to do that, but that's the method.

[ANDREW]
And some people just showed up and borrowed a kayak when they were there. Right?

[DUBSIDE]
You can also do that, yeah.

[ANDREW]
Yeah. In this upcoming episode, you'll find out how Tim Gallaway handled it.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. So Tim will tell us about the time he went to Greenland, and I'm hoping everybody can get excited about the competition. And even if you have no plans of going there, you can be a spectator from afar, as in my recent article that I wrote in the Masik, which you can link to, tells you all the things to watch for as a spectator from afar.

And hopefully, with our gang there, we'll have people dedicated or diligent enough to put up regular postings so everybody can know what's going on and where the situation, where the standings are and what excitement's happening. And I know when we're there, things will be so busy and crazy that it'll be, you know, you're reluctant to sit down and type something out and post something, but we have to be diligent about that so we can keep everybody informed so everybody all around the world can keep track of what we're doing.

[ANDREW]
All right. So that's the update. I'm super excited about going, and I've been working on my rolls, at least learning the Greenlandic names for the rolls, finally. I'm certainly not as flexible as I was 15 years ago, but it's going to be great just to be there, just to see everything.

[DUBSIDE]
We might end up being on a team together, a rolling team. We do the team rolling.

[ANDREW]
Yeah, yeah, definitely. We should do the team rolling.

[DUBSIDE]
And also what we will do in Greenland, we'll do some interviews. So video interviews of people like the two of us interviewing somebody together, and you'll see all of that in months to come on The Dubcast with Dubside.

[ANDREW]
All right. Fantastic. Okay.

Good seeing you. We'll talk later.

[DUBSIDE]
Welcome to The Dubcast with Dubside. This is a special guest edition of the Dubcast featuring the return of Tim Gallaway. We last heard from Tim in November of 2021, so it's been a while.

I talked to him about his trip to Greenland in 2018, some flight delays he had getting there, the kayak that he brought there, him getting very lucky and finding a place to stay, the weather, the mosquitoes, his experiences at each of the competition events, the racing, the rolling, the harpoon throwing, and the ropes, and the food that he enjoyed there, as well as the pure drinking water and other things to drink. This runs about 45 minutes or so.

Alright, it is October 2025. It is the last day of Delmarva here in Camp Arrowhead, and I'm talking to a past guest on The Dubcast with Dubside, Tim Gallaway.

[TIM]
Returning guest, it's wonderful to be back, and actually with you this time, because last time I talked with Andrew.

[DUBSIDE]
Andrew, yeah, so direct interview. Direct interview now, yeah.

[TIM]
Dubside on the Dubcast, yeah.

[DUBSIDE]
So how many years ago was that?

[TIM]
That's probably three years or something now. It's been a while. It was pretty early on.

[DUBSIDE] 
Was that before or after you went to Greenland? 

[TIM] 
That was after. Yeah, you hadn't started the Dubcast back then, because that was 2018 when I went to Greenland. 

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, yeah, alright, that's true. Yeah, so as you've probably heard over this weekend, I'm trying to hype up a team to go to Greenland next year to give Qajaq USA a good representation. 

 So I would like you to tell me about your impressions of going in 2018, and just how that was for you, and your insights as to what's involved in going to Greenland.

[TIM]
Oh geez, where to begin? So, I mean, I went before the new flights from New Jersey. So I had, I went through Iceland.

I mean, that worked out really well. My wife and I spent almost a week driving around the West Fjords in Iceland. Really amazing place.

I mean, we got to be honest, travel in and out of Greenland can be tough. I mean, I've heard stories many, many times from many different people getting stuck somewhere. Happened to me, we were flying into Nuuk.

It'd been a really beautiful flight, but coming up the, on the approach, the fog was so thick, we weren't allowed to land. So they diverted us to Kangerlussuaq, you know, further north to the big airport there. And they put us up for the night in like, I think it was an old army barracks turned hotel. Nice accommodations. And then it was about, and then they flew us to Sisimiut  down the fjord the next day and then to Nuuk. So I got there, I got, I got lucky.

I only arrived about 24 hours late.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. That's not bad.

[TIM]
It's not bad. Yeah.

As opposed to three days or four days, like some people have. So yeah, that the, the, but once you get there, you know you can access pretty much anything by foot or bike or the bus system is ubiquitous and easy to handle even for a foreigner that can't read anything in Greenlandic. So it's, it's easy to get around once you get there.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. All right. And did you bring a kayak or borrow a kayak or how'd you work that?

[TIM]
Kayaks for me are often hard to find just because I'm about six foot five, bit over 200 pounds. I'm a big guy, long in the leg. So finding a kayak that would fit me, I knew would be a challenge.

There's not many people in Greenland in general or people in anywhere that are as tall as I am.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah.

[TIM]
So I went kind of over the deep end a little bit with my planning of it is I built a skin on frame over the winter to practice at home. And then in the springtime I recreated that kayak, but didn't skin it. And I made some adjustments that kind of made it bad.

[DUBSIDE]
You took that one apart or you made a duplicate?

[TIM]
I made it, I, you cloned a kayak. I cloned one badly. I think is the best way to put it.

I cloned it badly. I kind of messed up the whole shape a little bit. And then I cut it into pieces. Which was one of the most nerve wracking things I've ever done. Cause here's this, you know, 18 foot sea kayak.

[DUBSIDE]
A beautiful work of art.

[TIM]
And you take a saw to it. You take a saw and put into pieces and it, and I built a box for it. So it was about the size of a golf bag or so, but I made it out of plywood. And I had the, the whole frame, the skin.

[DUBSIDE]
So to take it apart, like down to the separate piece or just like, like, like sawing like a, like it in half or thirds.

[TIM]
Yeah. Every four feet I did a cut, a joint. So that way it could go back together with some pegs to fasten a scarf joint. So they kind of hooked together in a way. It was a, it was a process. So I assembled all of it. 

So traveling, just traveling with that kayak was fun. Cause it weighed about 60 pounds or so. So I had to schlep it. I put wheels on it, thankfully, but I had to schlep it on the train to Chicago.

Then I checked it in, got it to Iceland and then schlepped it through the airport.

[DUBSIDE]
So this went with you as you went to Greenland, the whole way through all the, all your extra clothes and gear and stuff. Plus this kayak to I mean, I've done that with a Feathercraft, but my rig was a little bit lighter and smaller than yours probably was. So I can appreciate that.

[TIM]
Cause I had the, yeah, I had the building hardware as well. I didn't know what materials I would have. So I brought some extra drill bits. I brought needles and yeah, the skin alone and the coating was heavy.

[DUBSIDE]
So the skin, you had to start from scratch with that, put a whole new skin on it. You can't reuse a skin after you cut it off. 

[TIM] Right. Yeah.

I never skinned it to begin with. So I cut it roughly, and did the ends. So it was, it was close.

Yeah. So I wouldn't have to cut a lot off and have a bunch of waste when I was there. But yeah, it was still a big part of the process when I got there.

[DUBSIDE]
So, so you had to get there. What? Like you gave yourself several days?

[TIM]
I gave myself I think four or five days ahead of time before the event. But the one thing I always bring up is, I mean, this kayak box was heavy and while I was in the airport waiting for my flight to Nuuk from Keflavik, , the kiosk for Air Greenland opened up and I rolled up and the guy went, Oh, sorry, that'll be oversized luggage. And I knew I was like, all right, I'm ready for this.

This is going to be really expensive. He weighed it and he got the little credit card thing out and he said, Oh, the reader doesn't work. Well, have fun in Greenland.

[DUBSIDE] 
Oh man!

[TIM] 
I know. I was so excited.

I saved a lot of money. Like, you know, a third of a plane ticket sort of money. And then it just went on the plane and, yeah.

And then when I got to Greenland, I found the clubhouse and I talked to Pavia. I talked to him online briefly and he said, yeah, you're fine to build in the shop. So I drew a lot of interesting looks from people like what's this white boy doing here, building this kayak in our clubhouse. But because I was there for, you know, four or five days, for big parts of the day, I got to meet a bunch of people.

You know, it was kind of a slow introduction. I kind of met a few people each day. You know, like some people I like Jacobine Kleist.

She's like, she was one of the first people that like welcomed me and was like, “Hey, welcome to Nuuk.” And she kind of helped me out with some, you know, just knowing what to do, where to go. , and the, the thing I thought was so funny is there were some times when like some of the younger members of the team were there working on equipment or getting ready to go practice.

And there's like, uh, they'd have the radio blasting and it would oscillate between, like Greenlandic rap and American hip hop and like Danish rock and roll and just like switch back and forth. And it was such a fun environment to be in you know, just kind of not part of the club, but just kind of watching all this stuff happen there.

[DUBSIDE] 
So during that time, where were you staying? 

[TIM]
I planned on being there for about three weeks. So the four or five days before the events, then there's about 10 days for the whole thing to happen.

And then about an extra week after, cause I wanted to hike and explore, you know, spend some, just spend time there. Cause it's, and it's such an amazing place. And so I knew I had, I could have stayed at the school, with all the other teams for that, for that week.

[DUBSIDE] 
For that week. But then before and after you have to find someplace else.

[TIM]
Yeah. So I was looking online and I went on couch surfing and I was looking around and there were a few people. And I found this guy, , Christian who lives on the North, kind of the Northwest side of town in some apartments.

And I contacted him and I saw in one of his pictures, he had a kayak, just a plastic production kayak or something. But I'm like, aha, this, this guy, this guy, this guy will get it. And he said, “Yeah, you know, great. Come stay with us.”

 And I was really excited.

[DUBSIDE]
And then like, so, so that for this couch surfing thing, what do they, what do they charge you per night? Roughly?

[TIM]
Uh, some people will charge you minimally, you know, the equivalent of 20 or $30, you know, just like, but the, but I, they didn't charge me anything. 

So that's kind of the idea with couch surfing is it's a reciprocal thing. And so, you know, you might just have a couch, you might have an air mattress in someone else's space. And so the idea is that if you use someone's space, you offer your own space to someone else, you know, it's very pay it forward sort of thing.

[DUBSIDE]
And so people stay besides me.

[TIM]
You got a whole guest room in the basement. Yeah, we do. Yeah.

So, uh, yeah, we've, yeah, you've been at our place a number of times. We've had other paddlers, you know, our friends are over all the time.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah.

[TIM]
We've had some, some vagabonds float, float in and out, which is fun. You get to talk to interesting people. 

But I had a scary moment with that because I, about two days before we're going to get there, I think I was in Iceland. He messaged me in an email and said, “Oh, I'm so sorry. We're not going to be in town that couple of weeks while you're here.”

I was like, crap, I need to find somewhere to stay. Like that was my first thought. 

And then he said, “Well, we're going to be in Denmark, but my mother-in-law is going to be there.”

And he checked and said, “Yeah, she's fine if you stay there too.” 

And so, her name was Astrid and she was from Disko Bay area, further North in Greenland. And so she's been living in Denmark for a while. And so she, they house swapped.

So Christian, his family went to Denmark and she went to Greenland to visit all her friends. And so, I had her as my Greenlandic grandmother for, you know, a couple of weeks.

So she, she made some meals for me. I made some meals for her, baked her some bread and just, we had a really lovely relationship. I'd, you know, I'd be gone early in the morning and be back and then meet her friends.

And it was just really lovely.

[DUBSIDE]
When you're actually in, in a local person's house, it's different from a hotel. You actually see, here's how they live and here's what goes on. It's a whole different insight.

[TIM]
And, and, and her as well, like coming back to Greenland, you know, she doesn't, you know, one trip a year sort of thing. And having her friends over for dinner, like there were a lot of times, like you've kind of discussed it, like sitting there and there's Greenland, you know, Kalaallit chatter going on. And you're like, I have no idea what is happening, but the vibes are really good. I'm really enjoying my, my time here. And yeah. So I had a number of times like that, just here I am there, you know, hanging out in this space, you know, observing in a lot of ways.

[DUBSIDE]
So you said that was, that was the Northwest part of the city. So to get to the club was how far you would walk that or take a bus?

[TIM]
It was about a 20 minute walk, 25 minute walk or so. And it's basically straight South down to the old Harbor. And it went through, down this one hill and like through a little river, like there's a little creek flowing through and then back up into another neighborhood and down.
 
It's just a really lovely walk most of the time. But, and that was something that, you know, again, as an outsider, learning the space and the environment, is the weather, you know, there, I mean, everyone thinks Greenland can be cold and it absolutely can be, but it was peak summer, you know, mid July. So there were some days walking to the, down to the Harbor. It's like, oh, I'm getting the hot, like down to a t-shirt sort of thing. And, and then the next day it could be pouring rain and super windy and it can switch back and forth. And it's just, it's such a dynamic environment.

[DUBSIDE]
So if you were going to go to the club and the sun was out, would you not, not bother with like a raincoat or warmer stuff?

[TIM]
I would put it in my backpack.

[DUBSIDE] 
Yeah, I can agree with that. 

[TIM]
Cause yeah, you always want to have something cause like you can be standing in the sun and be pretty warm and then the wind changes direction off the ocean. The temperature drops.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. Cold air coming off the water and just within a space of a minute or two, you can just feel the temperature drop.

And what about being prepared for mosquitoes? With lots of wind, it’s not a problem, but if you don't bother with your mosquito stuff…

[TIM]
Yeah. I follow the, so I'm from Northern Michigan. I'm used to bugs, used to flies. Those, Greenlandic mosquitoes weren't too, they weren't too bad in my opinion. They weren't, I mean, they weren't great, but they weren't the best, the worst I've ever experienced. And I did the same thing I do at home. I wear layers that they can't get through. You know, so a light jacket, a sweatshirt that's a little bulky, they can't bite through. And yeah, you just deal with them.

That's what you do. That's like anywhere you can have a day that they are absolutely miserable. And then the wind shifts again off the ocean and they all go away.

[DUBSIDE]
So the, the actual competition and the events stuff. So then you moved to the school where they put up the competitors?

[TIM]
I was able to stay at the, all the way through. The whole way through.

Yeah. I, I can't overstate this enough. I got incredibly lucky finding that place and that, that family and, and, being able to stay with Astrid for that duration. It made a big difference just to have a space that was, you know, static, you know, that I didn't have to think about too much. I know also like I couldn't, I can get peopled out a little bit, you know, you just kind of, you know, kind of like, all right, I'm done dealing with people and being around. And so I, it was nice to be able to escape and get away and have some quiet time.

Like even in the evening, there was a kind of a bluff, you know, big Rocky Hill behind the apartment. And I spent many evenings just sitting up on that pile of rocks looking out over the ocean and journaling or taking photos. And, there were a lot of times that…

[DUBSIDE]
You had daylight till past midnight.

[TIM]
Yeah, I’d be sitting up there at midnight, 11 AM or 11 PM or something. And just like, wow, like I can still read a newspaper.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. Wow.

So the actual events and stuff, how did your kayak perform? 

[TIM] 
Not great. 

[DUBSIDE]
Really?

[TIM]
Yeah. 

[DUBSIDE]
First day is usually the, the short race. 

[TIM] 
Yes, the short race. It was, the kayak was reasonably fast. It just didn't have a great secondary stabilities. So it was kind of wobbly.

[DUBSIDE]
So this actual frame had never had a skin on it before you shipped it to me. So you'd never actually tested this.

[TIM]
Right. So the, the kayak that I made that I still have at home…

[DUBSIDE] 
The clone of it. It was supposed to be the clone of it.

[TIM]
Yeah. Well, the thing is when I made it, I made it as a cheater rolling kayak. So it's got a really low back deck, not a lot of volume. And as I was using it, I realized like, even if I made an exact copy, it would probably not pass the requirements for freeboard in the back. It was just too low.

So I went, all right, I adjusted some of the dimensions and I'm not a good enough builder to know all those relations of how those things work.

[DUBSIDE]
So you were trying to correct for that with the new one. 

[TIM] 
And I made, I messed up the hall shape. I know. And, and not being able to test it as well. I was kind of rushed at the end, getting it together. So I'm like, eh, you know, it happens.

So the kayak was, it was fast. It was, you know, it moved along quick. But the joke I always say, so, Elias? Inuksutok? 

So he was, uh, you know, he was around everywhere and I, for about a third of that short distance race, I was right on his tail and I just couldn't, couldn't get past him. I was trying so hard and he just kept ahead of me and I was fighting for it and just couldn't get by him. And then, and I'm like, cool.

I'm almost as fast as the slowest old guy in the race. It's like, all right, I'll take it. You know, I was pretty happy with it, but those, those, those guys are fast. They're, they're powerful paddlers. 

You know, at the end of the race, there's the tradition of rolling, you know, like a celebratory roll.

[DUBSIDE]
The coolest racers will flip over and roll and please the crowd. With no tuiliq on.

[TIM]
With just like a shirt. Basically. I mean, yeah. And you do it for the crowd. Like you've always said, like these events are for the kids, you know, they're for the family. So, you know, you give them a show.

[DUBSIDE]
You were up for the show. 

[TIM]
I was up for the show and I, and I was, I was warm. I was really warm.

[DUBSIDE]
You're full of adrenaline.

[TIM]
Yeah. So like the water, you don't feel the cold of the water. You know, it's just exciting.

But I came up and, you know, everyone's excited and cheering. And then up from the, up on the side, I heard Wolfgang, who was running a trip with Maligiaq, heard him shout, “Do it again! I didn't have my camera ready!”

[DUBSIDE]
So you did it again?

[TIM]
I did it again. He got the photo, but that second time, that second time I felt the water.

[DUBSIDE]
That's, that's my experience. The first one, you think, “Oh, I could do that.”

The second one, that one. Yeah.


[TIM]
Yeah. And when it hits your chest, when you're, when you're warm.

[DUBSIDE]
All the wet surface for the, for the water to be pre, you know, prime to like saturate now.

[TIM]
The second one will get you. And then going in and you're just like, that was, that, that first one was good idea. The second one, bad idea. Not doing that again.

[DUBSIDE]
So tell me about the rolling competition. That would have been a couple of days later.

[TIM]
Yeah. That was, if I remember right, that was one of the worst days for weather. We had a lot of rain and a lot of wind. And I've got some footage of it and like rains coming in sideways.

And the Nuuk team, the Nuuk group had stuff pretty well organized from my perspective. Like things were laid out pretty good. They more or less stuck to the schedule.

So I, as I've heard stories from YouTube about how you're, you know, waiting all day, waiting all day and stuff. So like, I was ready for that.

I had an extra jacket and a hat, like, all right, I'm ready. And like, Oh, like, but they announced it and I got ready and it happened. 

But I'm sorry, I'm mixing up my, uh, my details. The worst weather was for the group rolling, the team rolling team rolling. That was when it was really bad, but solo wasn't, wasn't as bad. But, sorry.

Anyway, the kind of the same sort of feel like you're doing the role for the crowd. You're doing it for fun. Like I knew going into it with my kayak, it was, I wasn't going to do great just because of how it felt in the water. So I missed some roles that I would normally get. So I got to get some of the more advanced laybacks just cause I didn't have the stabilities. So I'm like, eh, whatever, you know, it happened.

I wish I could have done better, but you know, that's fine. 

[DUBSIDE]
They were calling them out in Greenlandic?

[TIM]
They sure were.

So I mean, kind of learning from you, like the names and stuff. I know some of them, or I know some pieces of them, but I don't, I don't know all of them. I can't list them off.

So, a friend of mine gave me a Norsaq, uh, a year or two before, and it's has a nice broad shape to it. So I wood burned kind of in shorthand, all of the rolls on it. And so I could look at that list and go down the lists and knowing enough of the names, I could make sure I was following the order. And that, that worked pretty well. 

And I also had, luckily had, Maligiaq was in the water as like a spotter boat. And so he was able to give me some points and make sure I was doing stuff in the right order.

But the, uh, the thing that I thought was most fun about coming off the water for those is like, everyone just kind of ends back at the clubhouse, just dripping wet and kind of huddled in a corner, just like drinking tea and eating cookies still in all of your equipment. Cause like, if you're dressed up, you have a dry suit on or tuliq and everything like you can stay warm and warm up quick. But as soon as you get that stuff off, especially if you're outside and the wind hits you, that's when you get cold.

I've got a really funny photo of a couple of the guys on the international group with me that were, after the group rolling, sitting in the upstairs of the clubhouse where they do like the paint, where they do the skinning, just sitting on the floor in their tulips, eating cookies, just warming up.

So, yeah, I mean, the team aspect and the camaraderie, like, you know, we're all doing this stuff together, and that's what, in my head, that's the part that I really remember, is being there with the people. 

[DUBSIDE]
Did you do the harpoon throw? 

[TIM]
I did. That one was really quick. I mean, because it was a few throws.

[DUBSIDE}
In 2018, you were getting more than one try for the distance and the accuracy, right? 

[TIM]
I think we got two or three. And, yeah, that one was really kind of short notice, like, you know, they did the kids, and they did men's and women's groups, and then they did international, and so, like, I basically just pulled my dry suit on quick, hopped in the kayak, threw a couple times, and got out.

[DUBSIDE]
Did you have your own harpoon for that, or you borrowed one?

[TIM]
I did not, I was borrowing one. Yeah, so I think I had two or three throws before I tried the, yeah, like, off away from stuff. And then the couple throws for the thing, and there was only a few of us in the international division, and so I was in my kayak for 20 minutes, and then got out, took my dry suit off, and went about my day, and that one was really quick, but that one was also, I think, one of the more, like, exciting for the crowd, because everything is happening right there in front of everyone, and, you know, every now and then, someone would go and just turn that harpoon into a missile, and it would go so, like…

[DUBSIDE]
The distance ones. 

[TIM]
Yeah, the distance, like, you'd count how long is it? Well, One Mississipp. Two Mississippi. Geez, it's still going. Three Mississippi. It would go so far! And, yeah, just the strength and the skill to do that is, you know, really amazing. And my throw was not nearly that good. 

[DUBSIDE]
For the accuracy, did you get it in any of the rings on the target?

[TIM]
I think I got one into the outside ring. 

[DUBSIDE]
Oh, good for you. 

[TIM]
Yeah, so I got some points, but I think I only got one of my throws in. Yeah, no bullseyes or anything for me.

[DUBSIDE]
Then did you get a medal for accuracy?

[TIM]
I think so. Yeah, I got a handful of medals.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, good for you.

[TIM]
They hang up on my wall upstairs. I see them every day. 

[DUBSIDE]
And you competed on ropes?

[TIM]
I did, yeah. That was, that was one of the days that was really exciting and fun to watch, because that was inside. Inside the gymnasium. It’s not a huge space, and everyone is just hanging out, you know, sitting around, and, you know, in little groups and clusters. 

[DUBSIDE]
They had like, I think it was a two or three stations, judging stations? 

[TIM]
Something like that.

[DUBSIDE]
Same time you had people competing. Kind of spread out?

[TIM]
So they were, so people were cycling through, and moving, and so someone might be at the, doing high ropes at one end, and then, you know, some kids doing some stuff on the other, and kind of back and forth, so there's a lot of excitement and energy going. And then when some of the competitors that are doing some of the really challenging moves, you know, are partway through it, you know, people start clapping, and cheering, and it'll just kind of erupt out of nowhere. And I did okay.

I was pretty happy with my ropes. Like, you know, I still went away with bloody hands.

[DUBSIDE]
I'm trying to think about, trying to remember it, and I remember, no, I got the plane ticket before they extended the competition. I missed the entire ropes event. I wasn't there. I had to fly back.

[TIM]
We were all really bummed. We were really hoping to see you do ropes that day. 

[DUBSIDE]
Sorry about that!

[TIM]
Yeah, no problem. It's all right. You know, it happens.

But yeah, we were hoping to see that, but yeah. 

[DUBSIDE]
No wonder I can't remember seeing you compete. 

[TIM]
Yeah, you weren't there!

There was a, near the end of my session, I did, I could do a couple of the high ropes, where you hook your leg over and do, I don't remember.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, nammaassummillugu.

[TIM]
Yeah, yeah, some of those. And I was doing a couple of those, and I had Nina filming it.

[DUBSIDE]
Nina, yeah.

[TIM]
And she was filming me, and then in the background, as I was hopping off the rope, there was a, I don't remember who it was, was doing innaqatsineq.

[DUBSIDE]
Where you’re hanging on your fingers?

[TIM]
Innaqatsineq is a sculling brace. Nevermind. But yeah, where you hang from the rope with your hand under your chin. 

[DUBSIDE] 
Chin on your knuckles as long as you can manage.

[TIM] 
Yeah, and your arm behind your back, and your feet lifted. 

And so I do my couple moves, and he's hanging in the back, and I do another move, and he's hanging in the back.

[DUBSIDE]
Oh, and he's still all the way through, wow.

[TIM]
I land down, and he's still hanging there. I think he was there for like 30 or 40 seconds.

[DUBSIDE]
And I bet the crowd is clapping by then.

[TIM]
Oh, everyone is! It's just getting louder and louder, and he's like a statue, just hanging on the rope, and it's getting louder, and people, and then finally, he just like calmly hops off, and people are like, yeah! All excited. It was just, yeah, that environment was, it was infectious, like the energy, the fun, and something, too, that wasn't planned or thought of or anything. Later in the day, as stuff was kind of wrapping up, they did, I don't remember the name of it, the drum game.

Have you seen the drum game before? So it's something from Arctic Canada that's kind of been adopted.

[DUBSIDE]
I've seen it on the Arctic Winter Games YouTube from, yeah.

[TIM]
Yeah, so yeah, it's more of a Canadian thing, but they've adopted it. 

[DUBSIDE]
So you have two teams, right? 

[TIM]
Yeah, and the two teams facing each other, and usually they have a bunch of drummer around them. They had it just playing on a stereo, and you have a bunch of beads kind of spaced out in some pattern, and then people have to grab them and hide them, and they're doing these dance moves and stuff, trying to fool the people across.

[DUBSIDE]
The other team's trying to figure out who's got it, right?

[TIM]
Right, and so you're doing all these patterns, and they're trying to move it around all stealthily, and it's just this chaotic dance back and forth between teams, and the kids and parents are playing it together, and it's loud, and the others laughing and pointing at each other when they show where the bead is, and that was something that I'd never heard of at that point.

[DUBSIDE]
I would guess that is, it's part of the Inuit tradition thing, but it's not directly associated with kayaking, so it's not part of the kayak competition. I'd never seen that in Greenland, but I'm sure they do it, it's just that it's not part of the kayak event.

But I remember watching it on the Arctic Winter Games coverage on YouTube and things. And there's similarities to that with other sorts of things I've seen, game concepts like that. Kids, we would do one at a table. But it was hard to figure out exactly how the rules were going.

[TIM]
I watched for a good 10 or 15 minutes, I had no idea how the rules were.

[DUBSIDE]
You'd have to research that a little bit more. Because the way we did it as kids, there was no music or anything involved, but they got this whole dance thing going on, and it's, yeah, it’s…

[TIM]
Yeah, it was really cool to see, and new and unexpected, and really, it was fun. It was so fun, just the energy of it.

[DUBSIDE]
So tell me about the food experience of things to eat in Greenland.

[TIM]
I really enjoyed the food in Greenland. I don't know something about it, I just, the best way I can describe it, I burned really clean in Greenland. Like my stomach was always happy, like I had high energy, and I stayed warm.

I mean, so I was also partaking in pretty much anything anyone handed me. So one of them that was a surprise, but I actually quite liked, was amasat.

[DUBSIDE]
What’s that? 

[TIM]
You know, the dried fish. 

[DUBSIDE] 
Yeah, yeah, I like those.

[TIM] 
Kaplan, or smelt.

[DUBSIDE]
So yeah, it's not exactly sardine, but maybe sardine-sized.

[TIM]
Yeah. Little fish like that. Big sardine. Dried whole. I think they just rip the guts out and then dry it. You know, kind of salty, briny, iodine-y. Yeah. But I thought quite tasty. So yeah, I had that every now and then.

[DUBSIDE]
Some people like bite down to the tail and throw the tail away, or you can just chop down the whole thing and swallow it. Head and all.

[TIM]
Amasat was quite good. I had seal stew a couple different ways. I had Astrid made it for me and some of her friends one day. And she had like whole ribs and stuff in it. So it was strong.

Very strong flavor. I quite liked it. I know other Americans and Europeans that have had it, they're not fans. I quite enjoyed it.

[DUBSIDE]
I tell people it's an acquired taste. The first time I ate it, I was pretending I liked it to be nice.

But since then, I've had it prepared nicely and enjoyed it quite a bit.

[TIM]
The motok as well had that a couple of times. I brought a package to Astrid because she said she really liked it. And I said, I saw it in the grocery store.

I'll bring you some. And she cut it up with just with a bit of salt, rock salt, and really enjoyed it.

The things that I didn't expect that I had a lot that was very tasty, the smoked lamb and the smoked halibut or flounder. I mean, you could buy it in the grocery store for not too expensive. And it's really tasty and fatty.

And it's warm. Keep your body running warm. And one more thing…

[DUBSIDE]
My favorite is musk ox.

[TIM]
Umingmuck, yeah. Did you have some of that?

I had some of that, yeah. It's like really lean, rich beef. I liked that too.

And the surprise though that I wasn't expecting to have was Maligiaq had some. It's almost like a Greenlandic charcuterie board. Dried or smoked, I don't remember.

Humpback whale.

[DUBSIDE]
Okay.

[TIM]
And it's kind of the same kind. It's just a really rich beef sort of flavor, but not beef. That was probably my favorite single thing I'd never had before there was that whale jerky.

[DUBSIDE]
So a meal wouldn't just be that meat. Like what else have they got? They got some vegetables or starch or something?

[TIM]
Yeah, canned potatoes were really common. Or potatoes and carrots, root vegetables that travel and survive well. You know, I had rice every now and then.

But it was not very pretentious food. Really simple, straightforward, meat and potato sort of vibes. 

[DUBSIDE]
Tell me a typical breakfast is what?

[TIM]
So for myself, I would tend to do like a bowl of oatmeal. I was at Astrid's place, so I didn't have the breakfast at the school very often. But yeah, I stuck with things like oatmeal, kind of make a muesli, nuts. Yeah, I was kind of following the Dubside breakfast in a way.

[DUBSIDE]
Good for you.

[TIM]
Not as to the extent, but just a big bowl of stuff.

[DUBSIDE]
What I like about oatmeal in Greenland, I guess it's like the oatmeal in Denmark, it's inexpensive. Like it's grown in Denmark. So it's the price you can get a big bag of oatmeal for not too much.

[TIM] 
Yeah, I ate a lot of oatmeal. It's very tasty.

[DUBSIDE]
And what do they have to drink in Greenland? 

[TIM] 
Well, so I personally am a fan of micro breweries and beer. So like the Qajaq Beer, Qajaq Brewing Company.

[DUBSIDE] 
It's called Qajaq Beer

[TIM] 
Yeah. 

[DUBSIDE] 
The Q-A-J-A-Q?
[TIM]
Q-A-J-A-Q. So there's three or four types that they make. And so I tried a bunch of those. Those were quite good. And there's another brewery, I think.

[DUBSIDE]
So would I be correct in assuming that the water they're using to make this beer would be like glacier melt, totally pure?

[TIM]
It must be. Yeah, what else could they use? That's all the fresh water they have. And I mean, the grain is all imported, but it's all brewed right there.

There are a couple other beers that are brewed in Nuuk, I believe, that I had that were quite tasty. There was a stout. I don't remember the name of it, but it was really good.

But, you know, they have the kind of the normal grocery store energy mixes and electrolytes and all that stuff. But I always bring up like the water, the fresh water there can be really, really nice because it's straight off those glaciers.

In my last week, I was hiking up the big mountain that's kind of on the northeast side of town that overlooks everything. And got partway up and was running out of water. And so I just found a creek flowing out of the ice field and dunked my bottle into it.

And it was so cold and crisp and clean. And it was just, it was, I mean, can't bottle that water. It's not, it'll ruin it.

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah. So you say after the competition, you stayed for another week or so. Yeah. What did you do then?

[TIM]
So I spent some time. There was a, well, another guest on the podcast, Killii. 

[DUBSIDE]
Yeah, Kiliii Yu.

[TIM]
Kiliii Yu. He was there. So we hung out together quite a bit. We went to the museum, checked that out. The museum in Nuuk is wonderful. 

[DUBSIDE]
It's the National Museum of Greenland. 

[TIM]
Really amazing, amazing artifacts and kayaks.

They have a narwhal skull that has two tusks on it. Apparently that happens every now and then. They had one of those, you know, norsaqs and paddles and harpoons and all the equipments and seal skin and all the bone carving artwork.

So we checked that out. We did a bunch of hiking, went up into the mountains north of town a little bit. And of course, Kiliii, being the photographer, spent a lot of time taking photos of things.

So we kind of chased the sunset one evening. We kind of like started at the harbor and then worked our way north toward the apartment I was in, like going from basically rock outcrop to rock outcrop. There's this one, like if you look on, do like a Google search or something for Nuuk.

One of the images that you will see is this row of houses, like right on the hill on the ocean, you know, with blues and yellows and reds, all very picturesque. And then in the background, Sermitsiaq, the big mountain with the spike on the end of it. Iconic skyline of Nuuk.

Yeah, that's that sky. That's the, like it's on all of the logos in town. Like that's the recognizable thing.

And so like, yeah, there we were. You know, we're taking that same photo in, you know, it was like 11 at night or something. But like that, you know, it's nothing special.

Like that's just the view out of someone's window, basically like that's what it is. So yeah, we kind of joked like in Greenland, it's impossible to take a bad photo because you just have to look around and everything is gorgeous. There's the ocean, there's mountains, there's ice up in the mountains there.

You know, the people are wonderful. It's just…

[DUBSIDE]
Well, they talk about for photographers, you know, you take your pictures, like right after sunrise or before sunset, the golden hour. Well, the golden hour lasts for about four hours in Greenland at least. If not all day.

[TIM]
Yeah, especially as you get further north. I mean, Nuuk is south of the Arctic Circle. So it didn't get dark, but the sun did set.

But yeah, it never got dark. I remember after competition, you know, we went to the pub, a couple of us, and had some beers, you know, there's some parties going on after the event.

And I remember walking back to the apartment at one in the morning, and there's just people out, you know, going for walks, having a lovely time, because why not? You can see everything. It was nice weather.

And you might as well be out and enjoying it. 

[DUBSIDE] 
Save sleep for winter time.

[TIM]
Yeah, exactly. Soak up all that sun that you can get while you can. Yeah.

[DUBSIDE]
So you eventually had to go back. I did. Did the flights go as arranged? Or tell me about that.

[TIM]
It was way too easy getting back. I am almost disappointed I wasn't stuck. I was hoping to get stuck.

But the last, my last day in Greenland was almost bittersweet in a way, because I could, I was like reliving a lot of the best parts. Like I went down to the harbor. I took a couple surveys of a few of the kayaks from the club, you know, just to kind of remember what, you know, get the shapes of them.

Like Qajaq Nuuk makes really particularly shaped kayaks. They really focus on the racing. So their shape is, their widest point is shifted really far back.  To make them faster so they don't squat.

And so I was like, I want to record some of this. So I was taking a look at the kayaks and Astrid was going to be flying home to Denmark a few days later. So she was buying up crab legs and big chunks of seal meats and blubber and fish to ship back to Denmark.

And the weather had shifted before. So there was a bunch of ice in the harbor where otherwise there hadn't been any ice the whole time. And she told me like, all right, we're going to go and you need to help me pick up ice so I can ship it back to Denmark. So me and my friends can have gin and tonics with glacier ice from Greenland. So we spent like the whole morning down at the beach picking up big blocks of ice and putting them into a freezer bags and then shipping all the big boxes of, you know, seafood basically to the harbor so they could get into a freezer container so she could get them shipped home. And so like that really kind of like, you know, I almost felt like I was being packed up to get taken out and then, yeah, back, yeah.

Nuuk to Iceland. I had a day layover in Iceland.

[DUBSIDE]
Straight to Iceland from Nuuk or you went…

[TIM]
It was straight to Nuuk or straight from Nuuk.

[DUBSIDE]
On Air Iceland.

[TIM]
It was Iceland, yeah. Iceland Air.

[DUBSIDE]
Okay, on a smaller plane because at that point Nuuk didn't have their big airport.

[TIM]
It was a prop plane.

Yeah, but it was straight to Iceland and because I knew I could have been delayed a little bit, I allowed for a day layover in Iceland. So I had the chance to walk around Reykjavik which, I mean, I always like to tag on extra adventures there. So all the sites, went to the National Museum and ate a lot of food.

And then on the plane the next morning and flew to Chicago and hopped on the train and headed home and it was a bit of a shock. 

[DUBSIDE]
You brought your kayak back? 

[TIM]
No, it is still on the rack.

[DUBSIDE]
In Nuuk?

[TIM]
At Nuuk, yeah.

[DUBSIDE]
You left it there?

[TIM]
I left it there, yeah. I mean, so every now and then, some of the friends I see, I met in Greenland will put photos up online of the kayak rack.

And every now and then I can be like, ah, there it is. I can see the stern of it sitting over on the bottom and every now and then it's moved so I don't know if someone has tried it and taken it out or just shifted stuff around. I mean, I hope someone uses it, that's all I, I mean, they could burn it, I don't care.

But just the fact that it is still there, it warms my heart. Like I left that there for them. I'll have to take a look for that one next time I'm in Nuuk.

Yeah, it's the one that would fit me. There's not many of them up there. If it's still there.

[DUBSIDE]
You don't have anything written in there to indicate it's yours. It's just the biggest one I can find.

[TIM]
It might be. Yeah, I did write something in there. I don't know if it would have faded by now or not.

I didn't wood burn it in or anything, so. But yeah, I'll send you some reference photos and see if you can track it down for me.

[DUBSIDE]
Well, I have to ask, are you considering going back to Greenland at all? I know you want to.

[TIM]
I do, yeah. I was, I've been very conflicted this last couple months as we've been talking about it. So last year I kind of had the idea like I would love to expedition in Greenland.

So I do a lot of coaching and rolling and stuff, but like this last several years, expeditioning has been my big thing. 

[DUBSIDE]
So you were talking about like a week, three weeks, five weeks? 

[TIM]
Three or three to four weeks on the water. You know, long, long trips. And so in Greenland, I'd probably make, you know, like three week trip, you know, thinking something like Ilulissat, north to wherever and back along the coast or maybe Aasiaat or, you know, somewhere like that.

And I had that idea in my head and it's like, all right, I think I could do this. And I was starting to ask people for some ideas on logistics. And I got thinking about like, I just can't swing it to for time off work and the expense of getting there and all of that.

So I've pushed it back. So I'm going to do a trip on Lake Superior next summer instead to kind of finish the lake. I've paddled about half of it. I'm going to do the other half, but Greenland is still very, very high on my list. But I think I want to, I need to expedition there. 

I've done the competition. That was really cool. I love all the people I met, but I want to be in the place a little bit more, if that makes sense.

[DUBSIDE]
Well, thanks for being on the Dubcast with Dubside. 

[TIM]
Thanks for having me back. 

[DUBSIDE]
Always a pleasure to talk to you.

[TIM] 
Same here, man. 

[DUBSIDE] 
All right. 

And that is Tim Gallaway, recorded October 12th, 2025.

And that game he was talking about, it's called lahal, L-A-H-A-L, also known as the Bone Game. A fascinating component of indigenous culture with a very long history. They use that game sometimes for gambling.

And there are also these special songs that are sung during that, when they play that game. And so check it out, lahal. Thank you for listening to the Dubcast with Dubside.